AN OLD-TIMER LIVES!
Re-visiting the .30 WCF and the Model 1894 Winchester
by Jim Taylor
I could hear the cows bawling and dogs barking as I came out the door. Looking out across the pasture I could see the herd running in my direction with several dogs chasing them. Afraid that the dogs would run the cattle through the fence I ran toward the oncoming cows and turned them. The dogs saw me and began to run in the other direction. Pulling up the rifle I let fly at what seemed to be the chief instigator. At the shot the dog dropped, yipped a couple times and expired. I levered another shell in the chamber, but the other culprit was gone. The .30-30 had done it's job and had removed a dangerous pest. And it had been a handloaded cartridge that did the work.
The grand old .30-30 lends itself to reloading very nicely. Designed in an era that did not demand thick case walls, with a nicely sloping shoulder and easily sized neck, the Winchester cartridge is one of the better rifle cartridges for the shooter who likes to reload. Loading dies are readily available from all the major manufacturers in either 2-die or 3-die sets. The 2-die set performs the depriming, sizing and neck-expanding in one die, while the 3-die sets have a separate neck expanding die requiring one extra step in the reloading process. The 3-die sets are preferable if you are reloading cast bullets, while with jacketed bullets either type of dies will work well.
Components for the .30-30 are available from all major suppliers with bullet weights from 100 gr. up through 170 gr in various styles. These run from round-nose bullets to hollowpoints to different kinds of flat-nosed styles. Barnes even has bullets available in it's "X-Bullet" - a totally solid copper bullet with and expansion cavity in the nose. These should be tremendous where penetration is required. However, there are some special requirements for reloading the Barnes bullet. Be sure and consult the Barnes Reloading Manual before you reload with them. In fact, it is a good idea to take careful notice of what the reloading manuals say about reloading a particular caliber before you begin any reloading chore. Taking my own advice, before I began reloading the .30-30 I consulted all the reloading manuals and books that I had on hand. I found a lot of information. For instance using the 170 gr. jacketed bullet and IMR 3031 powder, my reloading manuals showed this data:
Source |
Listed Velocity |
IDEAL RELOADING MANUAL #40 | 33.5 gr.= 2300 fps |
LYMAN RELOADING MANUAL #45 | 28.5 gr.= 2110 fps |
SPEER RELOADING MANUAL #8 | 31.0 gr.= 2198 fps |
SPEER RELOADING MANUAL #12 | 29.5 gr.= 1975 fps |
NRA HANDLOADING | 30.0 gr. =2177 fps |
HORNADY HANDBOOK 4th EDITION | 28.5 gr. 2100 fps |
NOSLER RELOADING MANUAL #3 | 30.0 gr.= 2170 fps |
SIERRA RELOADING MANUAL #3 | 29.8 gr. =2150 fps |
The variation in data can be confusing until you look at the bullets used, the rifles used, cartridge case type, primers, etc. As an example, some of the loads listed above were fired from a Model 94 Winchester, some from a Remington 788 and some from a test barrel, all using different brands and styles of bullets. For my own purposes - and I am not recommending you do this, this is just MY way of doing it - I looked at all the powder charges and discarded the heaviest one. The remaining 7 were averaged, giving me an overall average of 29.6 grains. I reduced that by 3 grains ( 10% of the total) and that gave me the place where I started to work up my loads in the rifle - 26.6 grains of 3031. Coincidentally this just happens to fall near the suggested starting charges in most of the manuals. If you have but one or two manuals to consult I would suggest that you might think about obtaining the "ONE BOOK/ONE CALIBER" reloading manual from MIDWAY ( http://www.midwayusa.com/ ) Available in almost all the popular calibers, these books combine the information on that particular caliber from US bullet and powder makers. For instance, the One Book/One Caliber manual for the .30-30 Winchester has reloading data from Accurate Arms, Hercules, Hodgdon, Hornady, IMR, Lyman, Nosler, RCBS, Scott, Sierra, Speer and Winchester. This makes it real handy to research loading data for the particular gun and caliber you are going to reload for.
While looking over the reloading manuals I began to decide which powder I wanted to use. From the manuals I wrote down the various powders and their velocity and pressures at maximum load with a 170 gr. jacketed bullet. While I was not going to start with a maximum charge, I did want to know which powder gave the best results with the lowest pressures. In other words, which one was more efficient. I chose 6 powders and listed their velocity and pressure with a maximum load and then compared them. What I did was to make a "bar graph" on the computer. You do not need to do it this way in order to see what is happening. For me, visual aids seem to help. Anyhow, by listing the powders, their pressures and velocities I was able to eliminate several immediately. For instance, RL-7 gave the 2nd lowest velocity and the highest pressure. IMR 4198 gave the lowest velocity and the 3rd highest pressure. RL-11 gave the highest velocity and the 2nd highest pressure. Of the remaining 3 powders, 748 and 3031 looked the best to me. 748 gave good velocity at moderate pressure and 3031 was not far behind. I decided I would begin my reloading with these two powders. NOTE: This does not mean these will be the most accurate powders. It is just a starting point for me. Once I find how these work I can then branch out and test others. And if these prove to be what I want, so much the better.
Loading for the lever action rifle requires some special consideration. For example, shells should be full-length sized before reloading. This is due in part to the fact that the lever action does not have the "camming" power of a bolt action rifle. In a bolt action you can quite often simply size the neck of the cartridge. But for good functioning the cartridges used in the levergun should be full-length sized. Another distinctive feature is that the bullets should be crimped in the cartridges intended for lever action rifles. This is due mainly to the magazine arrangement. Six or seven cartridges stacked in front of each other in a tube magazine tends to amount to considerable weight. Under recoil bullets that are not crimped in their shells can be driven back into the neck of the cartridge creating dangerous pressure problems, not to mention feeding problems. The magazine on the levergun also requires the use of flat-nose bullets. (Yes, there are some round-nose bullets in use. These usually have a generous round nose.) The nose of each bullet rests smack against the primer of the cartridge in front of it in the magazine. With spitzer (pointed-nose) bullets recoil is said to set off the cartridges in the magazine, creating a serious hazard to whoever is holding the firearm. Whether the gun recoils enough to do this is argued among some devotees of the levergun. If you work the lever to feed a shell into the chamber you will notice that the shells in the magazine jump rearward rather violently. Some feel this is what has been responsible for magazine blowups. Whatever reason it may be, the use of blunt bullets is a must.
To crimp the bullets the best tool by far is the Factory Crimp Die by Lee Precision.( http://www.leeprecision.com/ ) This die is collet-type die that can provide the tightest crimp possible without buckling the case walls. I have used it in cases as weak as the .32-20 with great results. For those of you who shoot .44-40 or .38-40 firearms the Lee die is THE DIE to use. The crimp holds the bullet firmly and will not allow the pressure of loading numerous rounds into the magazine - nor the recoil - to drive the bullet back into the case. And you can make a very heavy crimp without buckling the case neck wall just below the bullet. I do not know how the Factory Crimp dies work in other firearms, but in leverguns where bullets must be crimped in the cartridge case this is THE TOOL!
During firing tests I rediscovered what long-time users of the .30-30 have known for years. The cases grow longer with each firing. With the long tapered cartridge and gentle neck of the .30-30 this is exaggerated somewhat. It is said the action of the rifle contributes to this also. If you shoot your levergun quite a bit the cases do need to be trimmed to working length. I found myself trimming the cases every 3 or 4 reloads. If you reload the same cases a lot, you will need to inspect them carefully as in time they will weaken near the solid head due to the brass flowing forward. Of course, the higher pressure loads make case growth more of a problem also. For practice and plinking keep the loads on the light side and your cases will last longer.
Reloading the various brands of bullets I noticed that the shape and size of the nose varied quite a bit between manufacturers. This gave me the idea to look up the "ballistic coefficient" of the various bullets. The ballistic coefficient is a mathematical designation of how well the bullet will fly - or how well its shape passes through the atmosphere. The more streamlined a bullet is the better it retains it's speed, meaning it has less drop over a given distance, more terminal "punch" when it reaches it's target, and is not blown off course as much by crosswinds. At least in theory. Before you start loading figure out what you want to do with the loads, nominal distances you will shoot and see which one seems the best for you. Then try them out in the field. Personally, for the distances I use the .30-30 at it does not make all that much difference. And in some instances, the blunter the bullet the better. But to me it was interesting to look at the data.
I also chronographed some factory loads out of the Model 94 for comparison to what the factories list their loads at. None reached their advertised velocity, though to be fair, most factory listings are computed out of a test barrel. And velocities do vary a lot between firearms. One thing I know for sure, no matter the velocity, most of these loads work! And in the end that is what counts.
I have long known the .30-30 as a great rifle, being raised by my Dad to believe that it was a good hunting gun (contrary to some today). He never told me it was a "short-ranged, underpowered brush gun". In fact he raised me to believe just the opposite.
Back in the 1900's... the 1980's to be exact, I guided him on a Mule Deer hunt. He was using his old worn Marlin 336 with handloads concocted between him and Paco. We climbed over the mountains and up into a ridge overlooking a valley where the Mule Deer loved to feed. Sure enough, there was a herd of about 25 or 30 feeding in that little valley.
We made a stand on the top of the ridge and Dad got set up. Watching the deer we could see they were feeding slowly in our direction. After 15 minutes or so they began to move off toward the North and I told Dad, "You better take one. They are moving away from us." He asked which one he should shoot, since I had the binoculars trained on the deer. I told him the one directly in front of him by the large outcropping.
Dad looked through the receiver sight, squeezed the trigger and I saw the deer stand up on it's hind legs and fall over backwards, then heard a flat "WHOP" of the bullet strike. I told him, "Now shoot the one underneath that one!"
Dad levered in another shell, looked through the sights and fired again. That deer took 3 or 4 hops and collapsed.
Two shots - Two deer down .. and the distance was well over 200 yards. Some brush gun.
Since its inception, the Model 1894 Winchester has enjoyed wide acceptance with the shooting public. Hailed in its day as a flat-shooting, high velocity rifle, the '94 and its famous cartridge, the .30 WCF (more popularly known as a "thutty-thutty" in my part of the country) packed a lot of punch into a small package. And as originally loaded with a 165 gr. softpoint bullet at an advertised velocity of 1970 fps, it was a high velocity round, especially when compared to most of the other caliber's available at the time.
The rifle itself is a classic. Norm Flayderman (FLAYDERMAN'S GUIDE TO ANTIQUE FIREARMS AND THEIR VALUES ) said it was "....a specimen of ultimate perfection in a lever action rifle..." (page 263) It does have appeal, for since it's introduction over 103 years ago there have been millions produced. I spoke with Becky Costello at U.S. Repeating Arms who told me their records indicate over 7 million Model 94's have rolled out of the Winchester plant. When you add that number to all the Marlin and Mossberg leverguns, plus all the single shot and bolt-action rifles in this caliber, there are a lot of .30-30's out there somewhere.
Ammunition is not in short supply for the old-timer either. I counted up 18 different loadings offered by 6 different ammo companies. Bullet weights from 55 gr. up through 170 gr. are offered by the various manufacturers. (see Chart #1) And while the ballistics of the .30-30 may not excite the modern generation of riflemen, in real life these have been proven more than adequate in the hands of someone who knows when and how to shoot. Paco Kelly writes "...the .30-30's power is equal to the pre-Second World War 7/57 mm cartridge...with it's initial mild ballistics. And Bell, a well known African professional hunter, killed many elephants with the 7/57mm....somewhere over a thousand!.....of course it is not the power here, but the bullet. With the right bullet, in the hands of a professional....old jumbo can be put down. No one advocates it of course. It is just said to show the potential of this (the .30-30) round." [ from LEVERGUNS, page 93]
I fired seven different factory loadings at 50 and 110 yards to see how they performed. The carbine I used is an early USRAC production with a serial number in the low 5 million range. The only modification to it was the installation of a William's Fool-Proof receiver sight. While the factory loads performed adequately, the best of the bunch in this gun was the Winchester 170 gr. Silvertip. (see Chart #2) Gary Sitton told me it was fairly common for the Model 94 to prefer heavy bullets.
I also fired some of the loads through the leg bones of a 940 pound steer we had recently butchered. I set the leg bones on a stump with 8 layers of carpet behind the bones and a 2" thick solid oak door as a backstop. I wanted to see what the bullets looked like after going through the bones and carpet but before they hit the door so I added a piece of cardboard between the carpet and the door. All loads went through the leg bones, carpeting and into the door.
The 125 gr. Federal JHP literally blew the bones to pieces with chunks raining down in the yard, landing up to 20 feet away. The best penetrators were the 170 gr. Winchester Silvertip and the Federal 170 gr. Nosler Partition loadings. (see Chart #3) Very interesting was the fact that neither one of the heavyweights retained the most weight after going through everything. The 150 gr. Winchester Power Point retained the most weight and came in a close 3rd in penetration. By the time I received the Speer Nitrex 150 gr. loadings the bones were long gone. However I did some limited testing against 150 gr. loadings from other manufacturers and found the new Speer load to hold up well. From what little testing I did I would say the Nitrex bullet will hold together pretty well. Accuracy is on par with the others.
I fired some of the lightweight loadings including the Remington Accelerator. This is a .22 caliber 55 gr. bullet in a plastic sabot. Advertised at 3400 fps, this load ran somewhat over 3200 fps out of my gun. It was hot enough to punch a nice clean hole in a piece of 3/8" steel (see photo below). While they were interesting I did not do much else with them. I think they might be useful for the person who has only one rifle and wants to expand the use of it to blowing holes in coyotes or other varmints. I know they work on smaller animals for I once guided a friend's wife on a Javelina hunt. She used an old Model 94 Winchester and the Remington Accelerator loads to take a nice Javelina from about 100 yards. It worked just fine.
When it comes to handloading the .30 WCF the reloader has plenty to choose from. Winchester, Speer, Sierra, Hornady, Nosler and Barnes all offer plenty of components. Bullet weights run from 110 gr. to 170 gr. in several styles including roundnose, flat-point and hollow-point. I even shot some of the Sierra 180 gr. roundnose that are intended for use in the .30-30 Krag. I did not test them to see if they would "chain-fire" in the magazine. If you decide to use these limit yourself to 2 shots... one in the magazine and one in the chamber. No use taking a chance on wrecking a good gun, let alone wrecking yourself.
There are quite a few powders to choose from these days. I began my shooting using two, Winchester 748 and IMR 3031. I chose these two for the simple reason that from published data they gave the best pressure/velocity combination. As I said earlier, using 8 different loading manuals, I looked at the top loads listed with each powder using a 170 gr. bullet. I then listed both the velocity and the pressure of each load. From this I made a comparison as to which load would give me good velocity at moderate pressure. For instance, RL-7 gave the 2nd lowest velocity but the highest pressure. For this reason I eliminated RL-7 from my beginning work. My goal was to find a powder and bullet combination that would be approximately what the factory loads were. I had chronographed enough factory loads to know my target velocity with each bullet weight. (see Chart #4) This is not to say the other powders would not work very well. On the contrary, some of them prove to be very accurate in the .30-30. This was just one way I found a starting point.
Reloading for the levergun has some special requirements beside using flat nosed bullets. The shells need to be full-length sized in most instances. The leveraction simply does not have the "cam power" of the turn-bolt guns. To get the loaded cartridges into and out of the chamber, full-length sized cases work best. Another requirement is that the bullets must be crimped into place. There is considerable force upon each bullet when you have six or seven cartridges in the magazine. During recoil uncrimped bullets can be driven back into the neck of the cartridge, creating dangerous pressures if you were to fire it. To crimp the .30-30 I prefer the Lee Factory Crimp Die. This is a collet-type die that will not buckle the case walls when you crimp heavily. I have used the Lee die extensively in the .32-20 whose cases can be crumpled easily and it works very well. I have used it quite a bit in the .30-30 and find that it works well there also. I do not know how it works in other rifles, but in the leverguns where the bullets must be crimped I feel that it is THE DIE to have.
Reloading dies are available from most all of the manufacturers. I have an old set of Herter's dies as well as a fairly new set from RCBS. The RCBS dies are a "2-die" set with the neck expander ball on the depriming punch. The Herter's are a "3-die" set. You must use a separate neck expander. Either set of dies work very well. When it comes to shooting cast bullets I prefer the "3-die" set, though in reality the "2-die" set works just fine. As I said above, all crimping regardless of which loading dies are used is done with the Lee Factory Crimp Die.
The long tapered gentle neck of the .30-30 tends to stretch somewhat during firing. I found myself trimming cases about every 4 reloads when the loads got into the upper velocity ranges. I used the RCBS "Case Trim Pro 3-Way Cutter" to trim, chamfer and deburr the cases in one operation. This little tool really speeded up work that I had been previously doing by hand. If velocities and pressures are kept down the cases tend to last a lot longer, though in use I have yet to have one fail. Some of my cases have been reloaded upwards of 10 times. With moderate loads fairly long case life can be expected, all things being equal.
I did not do extensive testing with a lot of powders. (see Chart #5) There are others who have already done a lot more work than I with the .30-30 and the results of their work is available. I found several loads that I liked and that seemed accurate in my rifle, and a I have stuck with them. While I shot the 110 gr. and 130 gr. bullets I was not particularly interested in them. I have the .32-20 if I want light .30 caliber loads. And if I want a hot load I can go to another gun. What I wanted was a fairly heavy bullet at moderate velocity that would be accurate. I found this with 170 bullets from Winchester, Sierra, Hornady, Nosler and Speer. My personal preference is the Winchester 170 gr. Silvertip.
When it came to my first love - cast bullets - the old .30 WCF really shines! The cartridge case is ideal for cast bullet use. As Jim Carmichel in THE ART OF BULLET CASTING said, "....another feature of the .30-30 is the thin, elastic neck walls which allow distortion-free bullet seating without the use of special neck expanding equipment." (page 206) As for powder charges, with cast bullets you can basically use the same data as you would for jacketed bullets of the same weight. This is one of a select few rifles of the smokeless powder era that really likes cast bullets.
Before I began shooting cast bullets I decided to clean the barrel and remove all traces of copper fouling. To get it absolutely clean I tried using the Outers electro-chemical cleaner called the "Foul-Out II". While the cleaner worked extremely well for me, let me warn you that you cannot plug this thing in and let it clean your gun while you sit and watch TV.
The "Foul-Out II" works as a reverse electro-plating process. The copper that is on the bore is removed and is plated onto a stainless steel rod that is part of the unit. Instructions with the unit must be carefully followed or you can ruin your barrel.
First the barrel was thoroughly cleaned and degreased. Since leverguns must be cleaned from the muzzle (unless you take them completely apart), I used a muzzle protector to keep the cleaning rod from wearing any of the rifling or muzzle away. Made from a 7 mm case, it is inserted into the rifle muzzle and the cleaning rod then inserted in through it.
Once the barrel was cleaned and degreased I made a stand to hold the rifle upright. plugged the bore with the inserts provided, poured in the chemicals, inserted the rod, hooked up the wires and turned it on. I let it run 10 minutes and then shut it down and pulled the rod out of the barrel. I found that the rod had some copper fouling on it already! Everything looked fine so I re-inserted the rod and let it run for an hour. When I pulled the rod out at the end of the hour I found that the bottom 3 inches of it had turned black. I poured the solution out of the barrel into a clean glass jar and found that it had turned yellow. The instruction book that came with the "Foul-Out II" said this was a sign of rust in the bore. The solution had to be disposed of. If I continued using it the unit would begin to pull steel off of the bore and to plate it onto the rod! The barrel had to be cleaned and degreased again also. And all the copper on the stainless steel rod had to be sanded off. After all that was accomplished I started the process over. After I got it started again I let the unit run for another hour, then pulled the rod out and checked it. There was more copper fouling on it but there were no signs of rust or any other problem. I let it run for 2 hours and then pulled the rod again. This time it was black on the end nearest the chamber. And there was copper fouling on it in various places. I cleaned the barrel and the rod, replaced the solution and started over. At the end of another hour I pulled the rod and found heavy copper fouling. I cleaned the rod and began again. Two hours later I shut it down and pulled the rod from the barrel to find more rust along with some copper fouling. The bore was cleaned and degreased as was the rod. I replaced the solution and started the machine up again. A little over a half hour later the "CLEAN" light came on. I pulled it all apart and found it was indeed clean. After nearly 8 hours of running the electro-chemical cleaner plus the time spent scrubbing and degreasing the bore the barrel was as clean as the day it was made, or nearly so. The rust the unit pulled out seemed to be small pits underneath copper fouling. It has not hurt the accuracy of the rifle as far as I can tell. While it may be a lot of work, it is about the easiest way I know of to get a barrel back close to its pre-fired condition.
I did not do a lot of experimenting with different bullets. My goal was a large bullet at moderate velocities as I have said before. I did shoot some of RCBS #32-098-SWC 100 gr. flat-point bullets I use in the .32-20. These were fired mainly to foul the bore. The barrel, after it was cleaned, did not shoot well until over 100 rounds were fired through it.. At first the groups "walked" around the target. The 100 gr. RCBS bullets were fired using 8 gr. of Unique. I also fired some of the Lee 170 gr. roundnose bullets with various powder charges. When the barrel began to settle down I switched to the RCBS #30-180-FN. This bullet casts right at 190 gr. out of my mold when I use wheelweight alloy. I cast the bullets from an extremely hot mold and drop them directly into water from the mold. These water-quenched bullets reach a hardness of 16 to 18 BHN after 24 hours. I use Hornady gas-checks on the bases.
The bullets are "sized" in a .311" die. Really, all it does is seat the gas-check and lube the bullet since they drop from the mold at .310". While the barrel is nominally a .308" I found the .310" size to work well. All the old loading books recommend .311" for the .30 caliber rifles. The IDEAL HANDBOOK #34 ( from 1940) says to size cast bullets at .311" for everything from the .30-30 to the .300 Magnum. I did try sizing some to .308" and found no difference in accuracy from the .311" size with the loads I settled on. For the extra work there was no gain. Why do it? All bullets were lubed with Apache Blue bullet lube.
Once I found an accurate load I searched no further. My criteria was a load that would shoot the 190 gr. RCBS bullet at over 1500 fps and keep 3 shots under 1" at 50 yards. This is power and accuracy sufficient for anything up through deer, at least in this part of the country. After some testing I settled on 26 gr. of H335. This load gives near 1800 fps and if I do my part will stay under 2" at 100 yards. (see Chart #6) I fired some of these loads on the 200 yard range and found they would take the ram silhouette down easily. Accuracy was good enough for the 150 yard turkey also. I had an old cow that had gotten down and I used this load to end her suffering. I shot her from about 50 feet, angling down into her forehead. The bullet penetrated through the skull, ranged down the neck destroying the spinal column and ended up somewhere in her brisket. I was impressed with the penetration.
Since I started using cast bullets my .30-30 has not had a jacketed bullet through it. The cast bullets do everything that I want to do with this gun, at least for now. What more could you want? For my needs anyhow, the Model 94 and the .30 WCF cartridge are a good combination.
Chart 1
30-30 Winchester Factory Loads
Manufacturer |
Load |
Advertised Velocity |
Federal |
125 gr. JHP |
2570 fps. |
Federal |
150 gr. Hi-Shok soft point |
2390 fps. |
Federal |
170 gr. Hi-Shok soft point |
2200 fps |
Federal |
170 gr. Nosler Partition |
2200 fps. |
Hornady |
150 gr. round nose |
2250 fps |
Hornady |
170 gr. flat point |
2190 fps |
Norma |
150 gr. soft point flat nose |
2329 fps |
Norma |
170 gr. soft point flat nose |
2133 fps |
Remington |
55 gr. Accelerator |
3400 fps |
Remington |
150 gr. soft point Core Lokt |
2390 fps |
Remington |
170 gr. soft point Core Lokt |
2200 fps |
Remington |
170 gr. core Lokt JPH |
2200 fps |
Winchester |
150 gr. JHP |
2390 fps |
Winchester |
150 gr. Power Point |
2390 fps |
Winchester |
150 gr. Silvertip |
2390 fps |
Winchester |
170 gr. Power Point |
2200 fps |
Winchester |
170 gr. Silvertip |
2200 fps |
Speer |
150 gr. Nitrex |
2370 fps |
Chart 2
Groups fired from Model 94 Winchester, using a rolled-up carpet on the hood of my 4WD for a rest, all with open sights. All are 3-shot groups.
50 yards |
|
Remington 55 gr. Accelerator |
1" |
Federal 125 gr. JHP |
11/16" |
Federal 170 gr. Nosler Partition |
1 7/16" |
Winchester 150 gr. JHP |
1 1/4" |
Winchester 150 gr. Power Point |
2" |
Winchester 170 gr. Silvertip |
5/8" |
110 yards |
|
Remington 55 gr. Accelerator |
3 1/8" |
Federal 125 gr. JHP |
3 3/16" |
Federal 170 gr. Nosler Partition |
3 3/16" |
Speer 150 gr. Nitrex |
3 9/16" |
Winchester 150 gr. JHP |
4 3/8" |
Winchester 150 gr. Power Point |
3 1/8" |
Winchester 170 gr. Silvertip |
2 3/4" |
The smallest group recorded at 110 yards was with the Winchester 170 gr. Silvertip: 1.25"
Chart 3
Bullets fired from 15 feet through the leg bones of a 940-pound steer, through 8 layers of carpet, into a solid oak door. All bullet depths measured to the base of the bullet in the door.
Load |
Penetration into the door |
Recovered weight |
Federal 125 gr. JHP |
.500" |
78 gr. |
Federal 170 gr. Nosler Partition |
.925" |
80 gr. |
Winchester 150 gr. JHP |
.650" |
70 gr. |
Winchester 150 gr. Power Point |
.875" |
95 gr. |
Winchester 170 gr. Silvertip |
.900" |
90 gr. |
Chart 4
Velocity of factory loads. All chronographed at 15 feet from muzzle to first screen.
Load |
Velocity |
Federal 125 gr. JHP |
2362 fps |
Federal 170 gr. Nosler Partition |
2051 fps |
Remington 55 gr. Accelerator |
3256 fps |
Speer 150 gr. Nitrex |
2168 fps |
Winchester 150 gr. JHP |
2221 fps |
Winchester 150 gr. Power Point |
2248 fps |
Winchester 170 gr. Silvertip |
2066 fps |
Chart 5
Recorded velocities of handloads. All fired from a Model 94 Winchester, 15 feet from the muzzle to the first screen. All loads using CCI Large Rifle Primers. All assembled in WW cases, all bullets crimped with a Lee Factory Crimp Die.
Bullet: Winchester 170 gr. Silvertip
Powder: IMR 3031 |
Powder: Winchester 748 |
Powder: H-335 |
26 gr. -- 1755 fps |
30 gr. -- 1848 fps |
32 gr. -- 2071 fps |
28 gr. -- 1909 fps |
32 gr. -- 2054 fps |
33 gr. -- 2123 fps |
30 gr. -- 2041 fps |
33 gr. -- 2087 fps |
34 gr. -- 2195 fps |
Bullet: Speer 170 gr. flat point
Powder: IMR 3031 |
Powder: Winchester 748 |
Powder: H-335 |
26 gr. -- 1730 fps |
30 gr. -- 1834 fps |
32 gr. -- 2038 fps |
28 gr. -- 1892 fps |
32 gr. -- 2039 fps |
33 gr. -- 2061 fps |
30 gr. -- 2020 fps |
34 gr. 2129 fps |
34 gr. -- 2099 fps |
Bullet: Speer 150 gr. flat point
Powder: IMR 3031 |
Powder: Winchester 748 |
Powder: H-335 |
33 gr. -- 2290 fps |
34 gr. -- 2080 fps |
32 gr. -- 2068 fps |
34 gr. -- 2290 fps |
36 gr. -- 2198 fps |
34 gr. -- 2202 fps |
|
37 gr. -- 2246 fps |
35 gr. -- 2265 fps |
Bullet: Sierra 150 gr. flat point
Powder: IMR 3031 |
Powder: Winchester 748 |
Powder: H-335 |
30 gr. -- 1861 fps |
32 gr. -- 1968 fps |
32 gr. -- 2071 fps |
32 gr. -- 2248 fps |
34 gr. -- 2061 fps |
34 gr. -- 2183 fps |
33 gr. -- 2352 fps |
36 gr. -- 2170 fps |
35 gr. -- 2233 fps |
Bullet: Speer 130 gr. flat point
Powder: IMR 3031 |
Powder: Winchester 748 |
Powder: H-335 |
33 gr. -- 2284 fps |
36 gr. -- 2197 fps |
36 gr. -- 2346 fps |
34 gr. -- 2341 fps |
37 gr. -- 2359 fps |
37 gr. -- 2424 fps |
35 gr. -- 2470 fps |
|
38 gr. -- 2466 fps |
Bullet: Sierra 180 gr. roundnose - seated 2.5" loaded length
Note: These have NOT been tested to see if they are safe to
use in the magazine of a lever action rifle.
I fired them single-shot,
loading one at a time in the chamber.
Powder: IMR 3031 |
Powder: Winchester 748 |
Powder: H-335 |
25 gr. -- 1752 fps |
30 gr. -- 1836 fps |
28 gr. -- 1879 fps |
26 gr. -- 1767 fps |
31 gr. -- 1903 fps |
29 gr. -- 1903 fps |
27.3 gr. -- 1903 fps |
32 gr. -- 1977 fps |
29.5 gr. -- 1931 fps |
Chart 6
Cast bullet loads. All loads assembled in WW cases with CCI Large Rifle primers, all with RCBS #30-180-FN cast bullet sized .311" and using Hornady gas checks - all lubed with Apache Blue. All chronographed at 15 feet from the muzzle to the first screen, all groups fired at 50 yards from a rest.
Powder Charge |
Velocity |
50 yard Average Group |
H380 26 gr. |
1570 fps |
27/32" |
H4831 32 gr. |
1462 fps |
29/32" unburned powder in barrel |
IMR 4350 30 gr. |
1647 fps |
15/16" consistent |
H335 26 gr. |
1796 fps |
|
The smallest group fired at 110 yards was with 26 gr. H335 = 1 11/16"